Part XXVII: Brianna Maitland Missing Person

Reader "Joey" recently submitted several questions about the Brianna Maitland disappearance. The following post includes responses by guest blogger "Bob" and myself to some of those questions.

Case Summary: Seventeen-year-old Brianna Maitland was last seen around 11:30 pm on March 19, 2004, after she had completed her shift at the Black Lantern Inn in Montgomery, Vermont.



She left the restaurant in a 1985 Oldsmobile, which was later found abandoned on the property of an old vacant farm (referred to as the Dutchburn place)--about one mile from her employer. The vehicle appeared to have been involved in a traffic collision.
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--Question Set 1--

Was the car mechanically checked? Was it possible that Brianna ran out of gas, or the car broke down due to a mechanical problem and HAD to stop where she did? Had the engine been tampered with in any way?


Bob: Joey, pleasure to hear from you… I inspected the engine myself, used to work as an auto-technician among other things. Nothing was tampered with. There was gas in the tank as far as I know.

Nothing seemed amiss with her car, although, I did find one thing that caused concern. The driver's side windshield wiper was "stuck" beneath the lower sill of the molding around the windshield.

See, that model car had a sill that was an overhang, and it was possible for the wiper to set the wiper blade under the recess. I showed Mr. Maitland this finding, but you have to remember I inspected the car months later after it had been returned to the Maitlands.

Still here's why it is worth considering. There are two ways the wiper blade could have been stuck under the sill. First, if pushed down and under. Either on purpose or if someone leaned down on the blade by mistake. The former is more likely, because the latter is quite the lean - a body contortion, not something that would be a comfortable recline.

So if on purpose, our concern was the blade was stuck there by someone the night she disappeared, on purpose, and it froze in position so it wouldn't work.

Two, someone was tossed onto the windshield and that forced the blade under the sill. Again the latter is more likely or possible. Mr. Maitland and MJA (a private search and recovery group) started up the car and tried the wipers to see if it would pop out from under the sill. It did, but then it wasn't frozen. But we also know the car started.

Slam: I am not aware of authorities releasing specifics as to what examination was performed on Brianna’s car. It is my understanding that the vehicle did “turn-over” after being recovered from the Dutchburn property, and authorities have released no indication that there were any mechanical problems with her car.

--Question Set 2--

Did Bri receive any phone calls that night at the Black Lantern? I wondered if someone called her workplace that night, to perhaps arrange a meeting with her on the way home. You said Bri's cell phone was left at her house, so if someone needed to call her, they would've had to call the restaurant. Were Bri's employers aware of her making any outgoing calls from her work? Were the Black Lantern's phone records checked? Was Bri in the habit of leaving her cell at home, or was this unusual?


Bob: My recall of the time was that the owners of the Black Lantern weren't very cooperative, though I believe they did speak with the police. The details of any interviews with the police were confidential. Obviously the big question the family had along with myself and others helping was that, I recall the Maitlands were told she definitely DID NOT receive nor make any phone calls at work that evening. Nor did she have any visitors.

Regarding, Brianna having a cell phone? I remember it was one of my first questions. I recall the answer was Brianna did not have her own cell-phone. However the idea of cell-phones being used by others came up... and it was originally assumed that there was no cell-phone reception near the Dutchburn place, as I recall. I pretty much solved this assumption myself - as my Tracphone worked fine. 3 bars at least.

Slam: These are good questions, and ones that I hope investigators have already exhausted. As you observe, checking with Brianna’s coworkers about potential contacts and examining phone records for that evening would have been easy. My guess is that these avenues were pursued, but it is unknown if anything useful was learned.

--Question Set 3--

It was bitterly cold the night Bri drove home, but not snowing. Were there ANY tire tracks at all from Bri's Oldsmobile on the grass, such as marks to indicate the car's original position, from which it had been reversed?




Bob: Not that I saw in the photo's - my computer has very good graphics software and, I painstakingly examined original high resolution photo's provided to me by the World Travelers (WT) using this software. It was the apparent lack of tire tracks that puzzles me! Tufts of grass are seen everywhere - so again, hard to see if a struggle is evident in the pictures.

I really tried to get good details on the weather that night and heard conflicting information. I have gone with what the WT told me, that it didn't snow that night, but later in the morning it did. I asked my source close to the case about this again, and I'm told "there were dry, very light flurries, the night was cold with a breeze.

There wasn't enough snow to blanket the ground, which can be seen in the pictures taken by the World Travelers that morning." I might add myself, the ground was frozen solid - I asked that numerous times as that means "no digging could have been done in the area.

Slam: I am not aware of any information on the original position of Brianna’s car has been released by authorities. Because the incident at the Dutchburn was initially treated as a simple traffic collision, any educated guess at the path of Brianna’s car would be in the officer’s accident report that resulted in the car being towed.

When authorities realized that the scene was more than a collision and returned to the property several days later, I doubt that much additional information was gleaned from the scene.

--Question Set 4--

Was the driver's seat pushed back? Bri was around 5' 4" tall - and I wondered if the seat was in a position to indicate she was the last to drive the vehicle. If it was pushed back, it would show a much taller person was responsible for the vehicle hitting the house.

Bob: No. I sat in her seat, and it was still set for someone Bri’s size… I don't think the position of the front seat was ever changed, because the controls were electronic and down on the lower, left-hand base of the seat, hard to locate.

Slam: If the seat was found reclined back, authorities would have to ascertain whether the wrecker driver among others adjusted the seat (since it was only considered a traffic accident at the time).

After checking with a source close to the investigation, I was informed that this was the order of persons having access to Brianna’s car: 1) the officer who assumed it was an abandoned DWI; 2) the garage guy who towed it; 3) Brianna’s father and brother in the company of another police officer as they searched the trunk for Brianna; and, 4) the Vermont State Police crime lab.
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Previous posts in this series can be accessed by clicking "Brianna Maitland" on the right margin of the home page or a list of historical posts is here.

33 comments:

A Doc 2 Be said...

I'm so grateful that you continue to let readers know about missing people.

So often, once the media hype dies out, the person is moved to the back page... and sadly, "forgotten" - thank you for not allowing that to happy.

This story scares me for many reasons. Young women. Missing. Alone. A family missing her.

J. J. in Phila said...

If the others didn't recline the seat, the possibility of a sexual encounter (possibly not voluntary) exists.

If the ground was frozen, that could easily explain the lack of tracks.

Holly said...

I am always intrigued by cases like this...one of the reasons I enjoy reading your blog so much. The fact that what seem like simple, benign changes and facts can paint a picture of what happened.

BobKat said...

In Brianna Maitland - Post 23, are pictures of the interior of her car - albeit, months later. You will notice electronic seat controls at the bottom, left of the seat. I am unaware that at any time was anything said or even suggested that implied her seat "was reclined" or ever had been found reclined. Also, the WT were the 2nd persons to see the car and they made no mention of this being the case.

Rachel said...

Thanks for stopping by my blog. Both my brother and Dad are in or have been in lawenforcement. I find your site is very interesting. Glad we've connected.

Thanks for posting this story.

Rachel

Rowe said...

Hi SlamDunk, thanks for visiting on behalf of JMac. I am always a little spooked when I hear about missing people. I cannot imagine what that would feel like to not know what has happened to a loved one.

J. J. in Phila said...

Sorry, I misunderstood Slam's "reclined back." I understand it now.

Raging Ranter said...

The talk of frozen ground and tire tracks got me thinking about something. On March 19, the ground would be frozen solid. Even after a warm spell, the ground would still be frozen a few inches beneath the surface. Therefore, the stories of Brianna being "buried in a cornfield" can be discounted. Anyone who's ever tried to dig into frozen ground in the spring knows how difficult this is. It requires heavy equipment.

BobKat said...

Raging Ranter...

For other readers, this is a continuation of the discussion of RR's very plausible theories from Brianna, Post 26.

Since I'm only able to deal with facts and the timeline as they've become known, I can't argue with your theory of a haphazard. poorly planned, drug-fueled abduction... you do seem to have the ability to think outside the box and I respect your ideas. I can however provide a friendly challenge to your theory.

My theory has either one vehicle involved, or two. The one car theory is person(s) followed her.

The two car theory is one where one car is waiting across the street from the B&B. Another vehicle is waiting either in the roadway across from the Dutchburn, or near the covered bridge a short distance away from the Dutchburn place. The Dutchburn could have been selected since it is within a mile of the B&B, after a sharp curve of road, and is very isolated. The short distance means less chance of losing site of Brianna, and also limiting the number of other witnesses that may happen to enter the highway. There may have been only one vehicle involved, but two seem possible, and they may have coordinated the abduction using cell-phones.

Quite simply, the "accident scene", the way the car is turned, looks to me like a car-jacking most likely occurred. Brianna did what most people would do in that situation - she made a hasty attempt to backup and flee. In her haste and the darkness she didn't see the house until it was too late.

RE: "Drug fueled..." I do understand you weren't suggesting Brianna was using... just wanted to clarify my feelings there. I feel the likely abduction may well have been less fueled by drugs however, and more fueled by emotion.

I say this based on an encounter Mr. Maitland and I had with a local guy... he seemed quite sober, but when he found out we were asking about Brianna he flew into a rage. He didn't know Mr. Maitland was in the truck listening... but he found out soon enough. It was raw emotion!

RE: The heavy equipment to dig? Certainly more likely you'd think than a hand-shovel... although one of the searches was in a sandy area. Another idea related to heavy equipment relates to wood, but that's all I can say about that. There are many old wells in the area too - but all have been searched I'm told.

Interested in why you think my theory is unlikely.

Thanks again!

Raging Ranter said...

Bobkat, I don't think your theory is unlikely. You have spent much time in the community whereas I've never been there. (Closest I've been is one visit to Burlington in 2007. Beautiful town that is.) You've also interviewed countless people connected to the case. Everything I've said is just conjecture and speculation based on my impressions of the crime scene photos, media and blog articles, and the seeming chaotic, sloppy way the crime was carried out.

Finally, I like your theory on how the car ended up there. If she was being pursued or headed off, she may have attempted to turn around by backing into the yard. In a panic, she may have backed up too fast, hit the house, and become hung up. Once the car was immobilized, she would have been quickly abducted and removed from the scene by two or more people in a second vehicle. A brief struggle and forced abduction explains the necklace and other items scattered outside the vehicle.

If it was a planned abduction, somebody would have had a motive in doing so. That being said, the police would likely be aware of this motive. So let me ask you this: Is there a general belief in the community, or amongst Brianna's friends and family, that the police know who actually did it, only lacking the evidence to make an arrest? In other words, do you get the impression that the police have a prime suspect?

J. J. in Phila said...

BobKat, if your theory is correct, there is probably a record of the cell phone traffic carried by local towers.

Have you ever looked at the locations of local towers to see which ones would have likely carried the signals?

BobKat said...

The community does have suspicions and that is the other sad tragedy here. Myself, it's not as important as to who, but rather, where is Brianna now? We've heard rumors, and some insist the rumors are true, and I can only hope they or anyone with information will tell the police what they know. The investigation had a poor beginning, but this is now. I have confidence the police are doing their best to find her.

BobKat said...

JJ... Good thought, and no I personally didn't think about that - didn't know there were records of such. This would be something I hope the police have investigated.

J. J. in Phila said...

In all seriousness, if you know someone close to the investigation, you might want want to suggest it.

Raging Ranter said...

Checking the cellphone records of every single suspect should have been an absolute priority for the police. Such records can tell them the approximate location of the cellphone's owner (i.e. which towers handled the call), as well as who he/she called or received calls from. Many criminals have been done in by their cellphone records. They'll tell the police that they were 60 miles away in X, when in fact a call shows them to be in Y.

J. J. in Phila said...

I was thinking of looking at the traffic. It is possible that a separate tower carried the signal at each location (though a long shot). Because it was late at night, and rural, there would not be too many calls carried from that one tower to the other at the approximate time.

BobKat said...

I want to emphasize an important point: It's not known what happened to Brianna. We can be pretty certain she was abducted. And I feel pretty certain it wasn't by a stranger. I may be wrong... the point is... we don't know whether she is alive or deceased... several abductions in the news in recent years show that human trafficking and sex-slave imprisonment is real... until we know for certain, please - don't assume Brianna has been murdered. There is no proof of that - just a lot of speculation and rumors.

BobKat said...

I want to clarify the WE in the last comment is us, the community. At this time I still communicate with the Maitlands, but they are not able to share - they have good rapport with the police, are confident Brianna's case is not being ignored, and is active.

In all the posts here on Slam Dunks I was involved in, the comments in posts 21 (or 22) and especially in the Special Update, comments by reader cbcklr, who I had the brief opportunity to communicate with.

When I talk about "speculation and rumor", cbcklr doesn't appear to talk about "speculation and rumors". The commentor states Brianna's whereabouts are known, and police refuse to act.

Well, I know that despite cbcklr's frustration that they couldn't talk to the Maitlands, they did. As I said, I am still in coomunication with them.

Cbcklr states in the comments that Brianna DID overdose on crack... and based on the timeline that would mean someone else drove Brianna's car to the Dutchburn place, and purposely crashed it, rear-end in the house. That is what we are to believe, because Brianna couldn't have done that. And all this happened in half an hour.

If we're to believe that, the next part of the story that I suppose we'll be asked to believe is what I learned and worked tirelessly to verify back in 05-07. The story goes, Brianna went to the party, in Richford, and OD'd. The origin of that story comes from a young women who lives in the area, her name I am not going to say. She spoke to the mother of a friend of Brianna's, a friend I interviewed and spoke with several times. This mother as I recalled told the Maitlands, who told the police and the crack story took root.

What is of interest is where the story went from there. First Brianna was dissolved in a barrel of acid. Then she was dumped in a manure pit at a farm. Whether the two things happened together, or they were two separate stories, i don't even want to consider. Next, apparently according to cbcklr's blog, she was dug out of the pit, that had been a key finding during a Grand Jury Hearing convened on Brianna's disappearance, and apparently, said persons who were at the crack party dug her out of the pit and buried her in the field behind another farm - I would think at night, so as not to be seen.

In the meantime a character who was in a VT prison was stating he had her killed for a drug-debt... and that idea caught on. So now we have quite the picture forming...

Quite the picture!!!

With evidence like that, who needs facts? So my personal take on this, if you haven't already seen it, is, with this kind of information, and a reader pleading for someone to listen, and apparently no one will... why not go back to the friggin' fiend where her remains are supposedly buried, and dig up a bone... any bone... bring it to the police and say "this is a bone from Brianna." There is such a thing these days as DNA testing...

And if she was dissolved in acid... bring a pail... fill it with the dirt her remains are in.

My time here is coming to a end... I've done pretty much all I can... I'm convinced the truth is out there, maybe in a bit here, a bit there, and I believe many of the bits haven't been shared with the police. Maybe one reason is, yes, illegal drugs were in use, but that's not unusual by any stretch of the imagination. What is real, is no one wants to be found out. And if that's the case - you're forgetting there's anonymous ways to share the information, and the Maitland's phone number is online, easy to find. Any information you may have... that's truly factual, please, share it with the authorities.

RE: cbcklr, sorry, I don't believe you, but may have if you'd chosen to trust someone.

I'm doing what I do because I feel Brianna got a raw deal, especially in the early months of the investigation. You can go to my blog... it'll be obvious why I'm advocating for her.

BobKat said...

One last request to James... I wasn't able to talk with you. I've spoken with your Grandfather. Mr. Maitland was with me. Your Grandfather was very respectable man.

But despite letting friends of yours know I wanted to talk with you, you were never available. I didn't get the opportunity to hear your side of things. Too bad... if you care about Brianna, given the time and effort I've devoted to help her, not having the opportunity to talk with you really screwed things up.

I didn't ask to be her advocate - I only volunteered my time to find or try to find her car keys. The family and media stories describing her did the rest.

If you are truly as concerned as has been suggested, please, let's talk.

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I want to sincerely thank Slam Dunk for letting me be a guest writer here on his blog. I have the utmost respect for him. Being given a second chance to advocate for Brianna changed my life - I thought her case had gone very cold, but now I see it hasn't.

I'm around, but I believe I've done all I can.

Whatever happened to Brianna... it was very wrong. Please... to whoever is out there reading this in her community... speak up. What is life if we can't be true to ourselves?

DIRT_RACER37 said...

I'm horribly saddened that the Maitland family has not recieved the answers that they so deserve.

I lived in Enosburg Falls at the time she went missing. I use to be a member oon the old the message board and I still randomly check up on Bri's case to see if there has been any new developments.

These are just my own personal opinions, I've never met anyone involved in this case. The biggest thing that I noticed while living in Vermont is that the small towns seem to be one huge rumor mill.

Was it a drug over dose? I don't think so. Was she at a party in Richford? I highly doubt it. Unless there are several eye witness accounts out there that say other wise. I think that it's been proven that this guy "Joker" was incarcerated at the time of her disappearance although he took "credit" for it.

One thing we'll probably never know is how her car got backed into that old house. Another thing I havent seen in this blog was the alledged affidavit that a woman from Colchester gave to police involving Ramon Ryans killing Bri in her basement.

I believe that Ramon Ryans/Low Jackson hold the key to this case. A couple of NYC nobodies are all of a sudden "big timers" in lil ol Vermont. Ramon Ryans has taken a lie detector regarding Bri's case and if I remember correctly his results were inconclusive. Low Jackson hauled ass to North Carolina and I dont know if he was ever questioned or not.

It seems that this case seems to be going in the same old circles that it has been the past few years. I truly believe that theres somebody in small town Vermont that knows what happened and for whatever reason wont come forward.

I hope that some day this case will be solved and I continue to pray for that Maitland family. They have worked so hard to put this story in front of everybody they possibly can. God bless you and I hope that you recieve the answers that you deserve.

Slamdunk said...

@ Dirt Racer: I appreciate your comment and the kind words.

The guest blogger on this case (Bobkat) and I were both participants in the old discussion board. Others who participated in those interactions have also stopped by and gave their opinions--we appreciate it.

After 27 posts on the case, it is difficult to remember what I discussed, but I believe the woman in the affidavit that you refer to is Debbie Gorton, and she is discussed in post number 10 here.

I am also hopeful that this case is resolved soon.

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Lauren said...

Is there anything, we, the public, can do to bring more attention to the case in the hopes that someone, somewhere will come forward with information?

Slamdunk said...

@ Lauren: Thank you for your question about what the public can do regarding this case. I spoke with a person close to the investigation regarding what might be done to help generate leads and further publicize Brianna's disappearance, and I was told that since the first of the year (2010) authorities were following up on several promising pieces of information.

They suggested that we wait a bit and give authorities time to complete their current work.

If you would like for me to keep you posted when I hear something else about the police's progress, you are welcome to send me an email at theslamdunktrove@gmail.com .

Thanks again for your time.

whitney said...

I am just a teenager. But someone day would like to become a crime seen investigator. Or profile identifier. my dream was to solve a case as a tennager working on it secretly.

Is it possible that Brianna could have gotten out of her car becuase no gas or another issue and hitch hiked. The ground was frozen which leads to no tracks. is it possible she got into another car, Maybe at the time not reconizing the driver then later held against her will or was forced to do a bad thing.or maybe a drug deal was bad. I met her once. She was a nice gal. I was really young. I do not remeber much but i do recall she was nice. Polite hard working. Shes not the type to just wander off.

Slamdunk said...

@ Whitney: I appreciate you sharing your insights.

You ask a good question--is there some reason that Brianna would have exited her car at the Dutchburn?

Certainly, anything is possible and as you stated, since the ground was frozen, tracks would not necessarily be much help at the scene.

Specifically, your question about her running out of gas or having a mechanical problem with the car--I have been told that after police recovered her vehicle, it did have gas in the tank and the motor was operated fine after being started multiple times.

Thanks again for your comment and I wish you well with your career interests--we need more people who want to invest their talents in solving these very sad missing persons cases.

BobKat said...

Hi Whitney...

Your input is welcome. But I have to say, if you want to be a criminal profiler or investigator - you need to do your research. Essentially your questions have already been answered.

What's interesting is there is no such thing as the same question, over again... I think it's human-nature to not see what we question if there is an answer.

There was - based on my involvement and inspection of the car nothing wrong with it.

Regarding Brianna hitch-hiking? Certainly possible that something happened and she did that. On the other hand, Brianna wasn't naive... she may have been too trusting... there's a difference. Since she didn't have a cell-phone, and she had just left work, if her car broke down I expect she would have walked back to the Black Lantern. For a woman her age to do that is nothing.

Now we're talking Vermont - a friendly state. So sure, she might have accepted a ride. But I doubt that scenario. Her car does/didn't appear to be malfunctioning. The damage to the rear of the car is not consistent with a car simply breaking down.

From your comment it seems you knew her? If you did would like to hear more... her friends and people she knew are welcome here.

Thank-you...

Briana said...

I read all of the posts and the story and I haven't read anything about the investigators finding any fingerprints that didn't belong. Clearly you have checked that out, but I was just curious as to what the findings were. I have been reading up on this case and I am rather interested in the whole thing. I remember hearing about this case when I was younger and ever since, I have tried to keep reading up on it. I feel like the police have done everything they can for this case considering the circumstances.
My thoughts on this case are that she was meeting someone at the barn, possibly to talk. Maybe an old boyfriend? An angry friend? I don't know if you have looked into that, but you probably have. You said that it was probably someone that she knew because there were no signs of struggle, which I think is valid. There are so many ways this case could go that it's hard to tell which is the right lead. I just feel like if you think about it, all of these things add up to her meeting someone at the barn, that she knew, because there weren't any failures in her car. I think that the abductor and/or killer is closer than you think and that her body is not actually buried because of the ground being frozen at the time of her dissappearance. I say this because I engage myself in a lot of crime like shows and usually they overlook someone who could be a potential suspect. I am not doubting the ability of the polive and investigators, I am just giving my opinion.
From what I have gathered, I don't think that Brianna was buried, and she may not even be dead. Like you said, what actually happened to her is a mystery. You don't really have much to work off from. I just wish that the person responsible and/or Brianna herself would come forward and let the family finally have an ending for all of this pain. I keep trying to dig deeper into this case to attempt to provide answers, but without all of the facts it's extremely difficult. I just hope that after six years of this, answers are coming soon.

Anonymous said...

i have a theory on the placement of the car. It looks like a set up. Sure, in a panic, she could have reversed and crashed into the old house herself but, what if some one reversed it into the house, to hide the fact that the car had been hit from behind? like that white truck/van that people remember seeing. Brianna is driving home, a truck/van appears behind her, and hits her car forcing her to pull over near the old house. She stays in the car, and someone gets out of the truck/van. She doesnt get out, so to scare her, they kick in the (blinker/light)on the passanger side. She knows how to fight, the van is blocking her way out. She gets out, but stays near the car door.
Another person (female?) is waiting behind the house( towards the back of her car), she doesnt see them. To destract her, they through their drink at her (lime on trunk lid)she turns around and thats when truck/van driver makes a grab for her (broken necklace).
She gets overpowered and taken into the truck/van.
The person that was hiding behind the house, then backes her car into the house ( female - no change in seat position) then leaves in the car they came in.
I dont know. Its just that the car backed into the house doesnt sit right.
From what i have read, it doesnt seem like she would run. It seems like she would stand her ground.

BobKat said...

Anonymous, thank-you for stopping, and your ideas...

I'm that Bob, that was the guest writer working with Slam Dunks on this post. Next to her family and the police, I probably know as much about this case as a private citizen could know.

So, Your 1st theory:

"I have a theory on the placement of the car. It looks like a set up. Sure, in a panic, she could have reversed and crashed into the old house herself but, what if some one reversed it into the house, to hide the fact that the car had been hit from behind?"

My opinion: What is there, from what you know or have read suggests she didn't reverse the car into the house herself? The damage to the rear-end of the car showed no prior/secondary damage. Somewhere here on Slams is a picture of the rear of her car.

Next question/theory you pose:

"Brianna is driving home, a truck/van appears behind her, and hits her car forcing her to pull over near the old house. She stays in the car, and someone gets out of the truck/van. She doesnt get out, so to scare her, they kick in the (blinker/light)on the passanger side. She knows how to fight, the van is blocking her way out. She gets out, but stays near the car door."

My opinion: Could have been a white van followed her. But no indication of dame to her vehicle from such a hit; no skid marks in the road.

She would not stay in the car. Brianna wasn't one to get scared in that sort of circumstance. Yes she was a Jiu Jitsu black-belt, she knew how to defend herself. People didn't scare her. Also, there were no running lights that were broken from a auto collision.

The last of your theory that a woman hid behind the Dutchburn place has no merit - not saying it's an unreasonable thought, but that would mean someone was already there, or that she jumped out of the van before it hit Brianna's car.

My question to you is, what would have been the motive?

She'd gotten paid, so she would have been able to pay down any "drug debts", as has been suggested. Those paychecks were found on the front-seat of her car. People she knew also knew she was working, so they would know, again if she had a "drug-debt", that they'd get paid.

Fact is, no real evidence is present to suggest a "hit due to drugs". A vicious fight where she was beaten up three weeks prior wasn't about drugs. It was about jealousy.

Conclusion I draw... she backed the car into the house. It appears a car-jacking or attempted car-jacking was the initial start of a crime. And maybe it did involve a white van.

Question is, what happened next?

BobKat said...

Anonymous, thank-you for stopping, and your ideas...

I'm that Bob, that was the guest writer working with Slam Dunks on this post. Next to her family and the police, I probably know as much about this case as a private citizen could know.

So, Your 1st theory:

"I have a theory on the placement of the car. It looks like a set up. Sure, in a panic, she could have reversed and crashed into the old house herself but, what if some one reversed it into the house, to hide the fact that the car had been hit from behind?"

My opinion: What is there, from what you know or have read suggests she didn't reverse the car into the house herself? The damage to the rear-end of the car showed no prior/secondary damage. Somewhere here on Slams is a picture of the rear of her car.

Next question/theory you pose:

"Brianna is driving home, a truck/van appears behind her, and hits her car forcing her to pull over near the old house. She stays in the car, and someone gets out of the truck/van. She doesnt get out, so to scare her, they kick in the (blinker/light)on the passanger side. She knows how to fight, the van is blocking her way out. She gets out, but stays near the car door."

My opinion: Could have been a white van followed her. But no indication of dame to her vehicle from such a hit; no skid marks in the road.

She would not stay in the car. Brianna wasn't one to get scared in that sort of circumstance. Yes she was a Jiu Jitsu black-belt, she knew how to defend herself. People didn't scare her. Also, there were no running lights that were broken from a auto collision.

The last of your theory that a woman hid behind the Dutchburn place has no merit - not saying it's an unreasonable thought, but that would mean someone was already there, or that she jumped out of the van before it hit Brianna's car.

My question to you is, what would have been the motive?

She'd gotten paid, so she would have been able to pay down any "drug debts", as has been suggested. Those paychecks were found on the front-seat of her car. People she knew also knew she was working, so they would know, again if she had a "drug-debt", that they'd get paid.

Fact is, no real evidence is present to suggest a "hit due to drugs". A vicious fight where she was beaten up three weeks prior wasn't about drugs. It was about jealousy.

Conclusion I draw... she backed the car into the house. It appears a car-jacking or attempted car-jacking was the initial start of a crime. And maybe it did involve a white van.

Question is, what happened next?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever done tests to figure out how fast Brianna's car would have to have been going to do that damage to the barn and get into such an awkward position???? Seems to me that car must have been going 35 40 MPH AT LEAST. I have been in a few accidents and I looked closely at the photos of car and barn and it looked to me like the car must have been really moving. I didn't think you would be able to crash the car that badly if it were parked next to the barn and someone just backed into the barn either to stage an accident or if Brianna went in reverse by accident trying to get away. I can't decide which is more likely. But if we had an approximate speed of the car we would have a better chance to know what actually happened. Or have one piece of the puzzle how the car got there... This case really puzzles me. Between the exboyfriend coming across the scene early in the morning and "not stopping" even though he saw her car crashed. Or the NYC crack dealers who are extremely out of place in northern VT. Im doubt a serial killer got both her and Maura Murray but I guess its possible... More likely to be separate cases I would guess.

Anonymous said...

Brianna was "trained in martial arts" or so I hear... I am guessing that if she was car jacked that she would use her keys as a weapon to fight off the attacker. Or someone else "crashed" her car into that spot and took the keys with them and hid them with the body or somewhere else that is impossible to locate... I am just extremely bothered that there was no testing done to determine how fast the car would have to be going to do that amount of damage to the barn and get into that weird position. Was it a staged accident or was it real?? Did Brianna back into the house trying to drive away from an attacker? Or did an attacker stage the entire crash scene themselves when she was nowhere near the scene? It appears the local police messed this up horribly from the first minute... Ramon Ryans and Low Jackson seem to be guilty. After them I would put the ex boyfriend next. He did come across the scene by accident and not check to see if she was even in car. It would also be a good idea to talk to some crack heads or people that know about crack to see just how easy it is to "overdose on crack"... Doesn't seem very likely to me. That seems like rumor. Especially the dissolved in acid part. But I believe the afadavit is close to the truth. I think Ramon Ryans did this and people in VT KNOW THE TRUTH BUT FOR SOME REASON WONT COME FORWARD...